In this post I have explained a relatively easy lipo battery balance charger circuit which is designed to continuously scan and charge the connected cells of the battery.
The idea was requested by Mr. Schindler and Mr. Emil Jan Thomas Baticulon.
Charging 6 Li-Po Packs
The concepts are very well written, concise and clear. Thank you so much for the deep coverage of the charging subject.
Have you encountered the need to charge several identical lipo packs regularly? I have that very need, it is time consuming to recharge 6 high power packs containing 4 cells each every few days.
I propose a single cell charger that scans all cells via the balance plugs and serves up the requirement per need during a partitioned interval of the scan period.
Arduino sketch, shift registers, discrete coupling and a plan to stitch it together... there is where I bid you to guide me to a viable implementation. If you'd be so kind?
Charging 18650 Li-Ion Pack
Good day,
I just recently found your blog and upon further reading your post it's very helpful with or without electronic background and i appreciate your work.
I have a project in mind but I am stuck with it, My idea was how can I charge 13pcs 18650 li-on battery in series connection with balancing charger?. Can you help me with it and add this to your work?
Thank you,
The Design and Working
As shown in the following diagram, the proposed Lipo battery balance charger circuit can be implemented rather effortlessly using a couple of IC stages.
Let's try to understand how the circuit is intended to function:
- You can see two DC supply sources in the circuit. One is a fixed 12V for the ICs and the relay driver stages, second is the 4.2V for charging the Lipo cells through the relay contacts. (Make sure to connect the grounds or the negatives of both the supplies together in common)
- This 4.2V is also fed to the non-inverting pin#3 of the op amp via the preset.
- Referring to the circuit diagram below, when power is switched ON, a HIGH signal from one of the IC 4017 outputs randomly switches ON one of the relays through the connected BC547 driver.
- The relay contacts connects the 4.2 V to the relevant Lipo cell. If the cell is discharged it causes the 4.2 V to instantly drop to its discharged level, which may be anywhere from 3 V to 3.9 V.
- This drop causes the op amp pin#3 potential to drop below its pin#2 potential.
- Due to this, the output of the op amp goes low, which does not have any effect on pin#14 of the IC 4017.
- This situation allows the connected Lipo cell to start charging, and as a soon as it reaches the 4.2 V mark, as per the setting of the preset, pin#3 potential goes higher than pin#2 potential.
- This instantly turns the output of the op amp high, toggling pin#14 of the IC 4017 with a clock pulse.
- The above action causes the existing output pin HIGH from the IC 4017 to shift to its next pinout.
- This HIGH causes the next relevant BC547 relay stage to switch ON and connect the next Lipo cell in the same way as explained above.
- The cycle keeps repeating for all the 10 cells, until all the cells charged sequentially.
Control Circuit Diagram
The second diagram below is the relay driver stage which needs to be repeated 10 times and the base of the BC557 associated with the red spots of the relevant BC547 stages from the first circuit below.
Relay Driver Schematic
If the cells are 3.7V rated, the opamp preset is adjusted such that its output pin#6 just goes high when the charge level across the cell reaches around 4.2V.
How to Set up the Balance Charger Circuit
For setting this up, a sample 4.2V may be fed at the shown preset's upper lead, and the preset slider adjusted to make pin#6 of the opamp just high (positive).
- With all the positions connected as depicted in the diagrams and power switched ON, let's assume that at the onset pin#3 of the IC4017 is high which in turns activates the associated BC547, BC557 and the connected relay contacts.
- Cell#1 now begins charging, which drags down the supply voltage across the preset pin#3 of the opamp to may be say 3.4V or whatever may be the initial discharge level of the cell#1.
- While this happens, pin#3 of the opamp experiences a lower potential than it's pin#2 ensuring a low signal at its pin#6 and the pin#14 of the IC 4017.
- As cell#1 of the lipo battery charges, the terminal voltage of this cell slowly increases until it reaches the stipulated 4.2V mark.
- As soon as this happens, pin#3 of the opamp also is subjected at this voltage forcing its output pin#6 to go high, which in turn prompts the IC4017 to shift its pin#3 logic high to it next pin#2, toggling the driver stage of this pin into action.
- The above shift activates the charging of the second cell of the lipo battery in the same manner as it did for the first cell.
- The process now continues and repeats itself by scanning and charging the cells in steps continuously.
- Thus the lipo battery cells are maintained with optimal charging level through the above explained lipo battery balance charger circuit as long as the circuit remains connected with the lipo cells.
Question from Avid Reader Mr. Prithviraj
I am an avid follower of your website www.homemade-circuits.com. Your circuits are always working and awesome for a hobbyist like me to learn and try. I need a small guidance on a question I have regarding LiPo Battery pack.
I am trying to make an e-Bike on my own. I'm building a 24V 6S 18Amp Lithium Ion battery pack which will contain a BMS board for balance charging. My question is, if I try to charge this battery pack directly with a 24V 10A SMPS will that be safe?
I mean, since I already have a BMS built into the battery pack, can I directly connect the SMPS output to the battery pack input/output lines? I am using a 20A 6S BMS in the battery pack. So, also please advise if the 10Amp charger taking is safe too. I will be really grateful if you could please advise.
My Reply:
Yes, you can use the 24V SMPS for charging the mentioned battery. The battery will be safely charged since a BMS is already present in the system.
Daniel says
please what value of resistor ( ohms and watts) can I use to discharge a 40ah la battery sets and 100ah set, to prevent overcharging. thanks
Swagatam says
To prevent overcharging of your battery you must use an automatic over charge cut-off circuit, or limit the voltage to 0.5V below the actual full charge level of the battery.
Paul says
Dear Sir, thank you for your website & this circuit that I stumbled across, I like this circuit & plan on constructing it & testing it out soon, just one quick question though if i may, I notice on the schematic that the diode between the output pin of the op amp & the clock pin of the 4017 is a zenner diode symbol, but I’m guessing that it is meant to be an ordinary silicon diode, such as 1N914 or 1N4148 etc etc etc, unless I am blind? I see no reference to this diode anywhere, so can you please confirm my assumption, or if I’m wrong please specify the type & if it really is a zenner diode, then can you give me the relevant voltage please.
Many thanks & best regards Paul.
Swagatam says
Thank you Paul, for your interest in this circuit.
The zener diode makes sure that the output HIGH from the opamp reaches the pin#14 of the 4017 IC only when the opamp output is legitimately “HIGH”. The zener diodes blocks any unwanted leakage voltages that may be present at the opamp output and prevents false triggering of the 4017 IC.
The zener voltage can be 30% of the Lipo cell voltage.
Alternatively, you can try adding a preset between pin#1 and pin#5 of the 741 IC to nullify its output offset voltage and then eliminate the zener diode entirely:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/offset-nulling-procedure-for-IC-741.jpg
Musa Kizito says
Please can I use this circuit to charge 48P 3S lithium ion battery pack?
Swagatam says
You can use it…
Musa Kizito says
How many amps needed to charge 48P 3S 18650 Battery pack at 4.2V
Thank you for your wonderful work.
Swagatam says
Can you please tell me what is the mAh rating of each cell?
Musa Kizito says
2400mah
Thank you sir.
Swagatam says
OK so the optimal charging current required will be
2400 x 48 = 115200 / 2 = 57600 = 57.6 amps
Musa Kizito says
So I need 4.2V 57.6A Battery charger to charge 48P 3S Lithium Ion battery pack using the charging circuit above?
Thanks for the good work.
Swagatam says
That’s correct!
Musa Kizito says
Thank you sir.
Keep the good work.
Suresh says
Dear Swagatham,
Thank you very much for leading me to this project. However I doubt if this would be a practical solution.
The main reason being , This circuit feed the charging voltage to individual battery one battery at a time with a 12v charger (for a 12 v lead acid battery ) or whatever be the individual battery voltage.
This is not the practical situation.
For a ups working on 48v , 4 batteries are connected in series, UPS connected to the battery using two wires , charging and discharging done using the same cables. So the charging voltage is not 12 v , but 48v (actually 60v).
In case of Solar panel and using MPPT for charge controlling, the output of MPPT is connected to the battery in parallel to UPS. This ensures that if there is excess current available and if there is more load , the excess current is fed directly tot he ups to run that load.
In this scenario , It would be very difficult or even unfruitful to reduce the charging voltage (which would increase charging current too). Correct me if I am wrong.
Rather, a circuit that directs the higher charge of cell to another of lower , just like a tilting pipe line, might be a better and simpler idea, equalizing them. I hope you understood my idea. I think this is what the commercial product does. Consider this when you get time.
Thks.
Swagatam says
Dear Suresh, the above circuit is a battery balance charger which are specifically required for batteries that are connected in series. It is impossible to maintain equal charging of a series connected battery unless each battery is charged separately within the series system. If you apply 60 V to a series of 4 batteries in series with only two wires then that will never be able to maintain equal charge levels across all the 4 batteries unless if the batteries itself are built with exact specifications and characteristics.
Or may be I am missing something.
Sam says
Hi Swagatam, please is it possible to use mosfets or transistors in place of the relays. In other words the mosfets or transistors will be in charge of switching the battery terminals.
Swagatam says
Hi Sam, presently I do not have this design with me, but will surely try to figure it out and will post it soon if I happen to get it.
Carlos says
Hello sir Swagatam, my name is Carlos I from Buenos Aires Argentina. Could you build 18650 battery balancer circuit with lm358 to charge 4 18650 in series … Thank you very much
Swagatam says
Hi Carlos, presently I do not have a 3.3V balancer circuit, if it is possible I will try to design it and post it for you!
Seun says
Good day Sir, please help me to solve the controversy on battery equaliser for strings of lead acid battery- 8-10 number. Some say it is essential, while others say not essential, Provided they are same age and type. Thanks
Swagatam says
Hello Seun, yes it is essential if the batteries are in series…However if you keep the total full charging limit slightly less than the recommended full charge level then you can avoid the equalizer.
Seun says
Thanks for the enlightenment. What’s the recommended full charge level even while a pulsed desulfator is used to avoid using equaliser.
Swagatam says
You are welcome! For a 12V lead acid battery you can use 14.1V for each battery, as the full charge level.
pointy says
Hello Swagatam,
Would you possibly have this schematic in a kicad project? or another pcb designing software?
Greetings from an electronics student.
Swagatam says
Hello Pointy, sorry I do not have the PCB designs, but any professional PCB maker will quickly do it for you.
Joel K4DKX says
I am already subscribed. I was looking at this circuit and it just hit me that this is just what the doctor ordered for me, however looking at the schematic one of the zener diodes are labeled as 3v. Am I to presume that both should be 3v? If so then this will work perfectly. Thanks in advance.
Swagatam says
I am glad you found the post helpful. Yes both the zeners can be 3 V, however I would recommend the pin#6 zener to be replaced with a RED LED, and connect a 4k7 resistor between pin14 of the IC 4017 and ground.
adam says
Hi,
Thanks for the wonderful project of this Lipo Battery Balance Charger, one question is seems it charge the battery cells one by one? is this same as other charger or just a special case here.
is it possible to charge few cells simultaneously?
Did you make one ? how’s that?
Best
Adam
Swagatam says
Hi, I don’t about the other chargers, but this is how the individual cells are supposed to be scanned and charged in a balance charger circuit, according to my knowledge.
Ben says
Interesting. Judging by the circuitry, the battery series can be balance charged while lively connected to other sources (with very carefully separation of course). Is this correct assumption?
Has anyone made any commercial offerings for this yet?
Swagatam says
Yes you are correct, usually the load is connected across extreme ends of the series battery…
Halil says
I have been following your dear svagatam site for a long time. I have great circuit ideas according to my needs Thank you for bringing this to the world.
Swagatam says
Thank you very much, I appreciate your feedback!
Seun says
Please is there any component that can be used to transfer charge from one battery to another apart from super capacitors, can ordinary electrolytic cap do likewise. Thanks sir.
Swagatam says
No, ordinary capacitors might not work, or you might need huge numbers of them
Seun says
Thanks sir, Swag. Is there any other way to transfer charge apart from super capacitors?
Swagatam says
Hi Seun, there’s no other way to transport electric power except with batteries and super capacitors
Fhorst says
Hi Swag,
I like to automatically Balance between LiFePO4 cells that are in series.
LiFePO4 cells in series will go out of balance.
Not fast and huge difference, still..the do not automatically balance between the cells.
In this situation series can be 4 to 16 cells or 500.. number of series is not relevant.
(Nominal 3.2v, max 3.65v)
This is for solar energy storage, off-grid.
24/7 in use, always charging or discharge (day/night)
My total capacity is 1016Ah@51.2v (S16)
It is not needed information for the question, but give insight in the usage.
The idea is simple, 2 cells A and B have voltage difference.
For example:
Cell A = 3.36v
Cell B= 3.34v (0.02v out of balance)
“flying cell” (capacitor) would charge from Cell A and discharge at Cell B.
(Capacitor acts like small battery and is paralleled with cell A then B and back to A again)
In a situation of 16 cells in series one would need 15 X this setup.
Placed between each 2 cells.
If it would have symbol ∆ then it would look like:
A ∆ B ∆ C ∆ D
Or cell 1∆2∆3∆4 for 4 cells in series.
It doesn’t have to work fast.(with solar setup one thinks in days or weeks to get Balance, it doesn’t need to be in a few hours)
It does need to use the cell as own power source for the (small) PCB .
Cell A connect to the capacitor, then disconnect from the capacitor and the capacitor connects to cell B.
In a loop, with 5 seconds (?) connect to each cell.
(I do not know how long it takes for a capacitor to charge)
I do not know if there needs to be a disconnect time between both cells (1second?) To prevent interference / bad vibes for the cells or stable DC output.
I do understand that bigger capacitors are more expensive and probably need more time to charge and discharge.
Based on the capacity of the cells and possible imbalance one needs to decide on the size of the capacitor.
It would be great to get an example value for 100Ah LiFePO4 cell
Flip flop or automatic changeover switch on pre-set timing.
Obviously with low own power usage, and preferably low cost ????
Thank you!!
Swagatam says
Hi Fhorst, I am having difficulty in understanding the use of the capacitors for the balancing act. Are you trying to implement a “capacitor dump charging” process, where the respective capacitors will be charged by the solar panel, and then the capacitors will be discharged on the cells for charging them?
Please provide more details regarding the purpose of the capacitors, and the circuit operation for implementing the balancing of the cells.
Adeyemi says
Please Swag, I want to ask if Battery management system (Equaliser) can equalise 48v battery system using 48v solar system and 24v solar system for
48v charging the 48v battery system.
Swagatam says
Please see what equalization means, whch will answer your question quickly:
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/equalizing_charge
Adeyemi says
Thanks sir for the link, please can I use a 48v battery system comprising of different sizes of battery with a BMS, will the BMS balancing be effective in improving battery life.
Swagatam says
Adeyemi, if the BMS is correctly rated as per the battery then it will help to ensure longer life for the battery.
Maty says
Hi,
thank you for your advice:). I think that I just figured it out, the op-amp, compares the 4.2 to the batteries voltage and tells the 4017 to stop charging when the comparing has shown that the battery is at 4.2 volts?
Is my understanding sort of correct, or I am completely wrong? And also about the present, how do I measure that the output is high, is it like binary to measure with an oscilloscope? Have a good one :).
Swagatam says
When the opamp detects 4.2V, it sends a pulse to the IC 4017 so that its output moves to the next lipo cell and connects its status with the op amp input so that the opamp now starts scanning this new cell’s charging status, until it get fully charged at 4.2 V and the cycle continues.
To measure the instantaneous voltage of a connected cell, you can attach a voltmeter or an oscilloscope across the input supply source for the lipo
maurice says
Hi,
I’m planning to adapt your circuit to charge my batteries.I just wondered though, what happens when all the batteries in the pack have charged up to 4.2V ? What stops the relays from continuing to cycle on and off, testing the battery status at a rapid rate, that would result in chatter and reduction of the relay lifespans? Some sort of delay is desireable to prevent this from happening or an auxiliary circuit testing the total battery pack voltage and waiting until this has dropped. Such a circuit probably should avoid heavily draining the battery under charge. What are your thoughts? Thank you.
Swagatam says
Hi, it cannot scan at a rapid rate because the op amp output will not clock the pin14 of 4017 until the relevant cell charges fully. The output of the opamp wil become high only once the cell charge reaches 4.2V which can take a lot of time.
Braden says
What happens when all the cells are fully charged? Wouldn’t the circuit keep cycling rapidly?
Swagatam says
yes, it should keep cycling, and scanning the levels.
Maty says
Hello,
I do not really understand to what voltage I should adjust the preset pot.I have read the whole article about 3 times, however, it still doesn’t make sense to, can’t figure out to what voltage I should adjust it if my batteries have a nominal of 3.7 and max charged voltage of 4.2.Can you please explain to me how to work it out?
Swagatam says
Hello, this circuit is for people who have a good knowledge of electronics, if you cannot understand then you should not attempt it.
It is 4.2V at which the the charger must cut off…so 4.2V is the max threshold.
Adeyemi says
Good day Swag, well done for this update. Please how can I configure this circuit for 4 12v batteries in series to make 48v.
Swagatam says
Thanks Adeyemi, for 4 outputs you just have to disconnect pin15 of IC 4017 from the ground and connect it with its pin1, then use the relay drivers for the pin3,2,4 and 7
Adeyemi says
Thanks Swag ,please is balancer necessary for 24v system
Swagatam says
Adeyami, if it has series cells in it then it will be necessary.
Adeyemi says
Thanks sir
Adeyemi says
Good day Swag, please can you help me to design a balancer that works with the mechanism in the link below that works in balancing all cells as a whole at the same time.
A design that transfer excess charge to equalize all cells.
Thanks sir.
Swagatam says
Sorry Adeyemi, presently I do not have the idea to design a circuit that will balance all the cells simultaneously…
Adeyemi says
OK sir, is there any advice or crude way of balancing lead acid batteries in series. Thanks Swag
Swagatam says
Adeyemi, It has to be done in the way explained in the above article, which is very accurate and safe…any other method can be difficult to implement or risky.
Adeyemi says
With this circuit above, please I want to clarify some things.
1.for 48v battery system, for the DC supplies, one will be 12v supply for the IC, second DC supply will be what for charging the 4x12v battery in series.
2. Will there be balancing effect during discharge.
Thanks sir, Swag
Swagatam says
Adeyemi, Discharging is not done through individual batteries rather directly from the combined series battery’s end to end points. So balancing cannot be implemented while discharging.
Adeyemi says
3. Please for the 48v battery system, is it possible to have main 48v charger system and 12v charging system for the balancing.
I have not fully understood the mechanism
Adeyemi says
Thanks sir, please how can I use this balancer for solar system. No grid supply around
Swagatam says
You can do it in the same way as explained in the article…You will need two controllers, one for the battery and one for the IC circuit.
Guney says
Sir, First of all I don’t understand the preset value for the OPAMP ‘s non-inverting input. How can I select that voltage by using this POT(slider). My understanding is that we should make the voltage on the non inverting part little more than 3V because we have an preset value 3 at inverting pin. After that battery pluged in to the circuit we have an voltage drop on the pot, so the output of the opamp will be low until the battery reaches to 4.2 which makes our non-inverting input reaches its previous value that makes output of the opamp high. My understanding is correct or not? Thank you so much for your respond already.
Swagatam says
Guney, your understanding is correct, the preset value can be a 10k preset
Ajitkumar says
Sir can you post a Lifepo4 battery discharge circuit.
3.2 volt 5000mah.
Swagatam says
Ajit,
Lifepo4 is also a type of Li-ion cell, so you can use any of the designs explained in the following article:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/simplest-safest-li-ion-battery-charger/
Just make sure to keep the charging voltage to a fixed 4.1 V value, and the current to less than 50% of its Ah value.
Kevin says
As the lipo batteries get closer to the 4.2 volt level are we not supposed to reduce the constant current as it gets closer to this level. Is there a way to include that in this circuit. Or is that not so important.
Swagatam says
constant current does not mean the current would be forced at that level constantly, no. Constant current means, the specified maximum amount of current level will never be allowed to increase by the source, or and will be restricted at the specified level..
It is the load which decides how much current it has to consume from the source, provided the voltage is maintained at the right level.
Here since the input is fixed at 4.2V which is compatible with the Lipo rating, the current is automatically shut down by the Lipo when it reaches the 4.2V mark.
The constant current could become dangerous if the input voltage is increased above the 4.2V mark.
Therefore current reduction is not required, the battery will take care of it automatically, however once 4.2V level is reached the supply must be immediately switched OFF
Kevin says
Many thanks I now understand. So once voltage reaches the value set by potentiometer at pin 3 then voltages are both equal to 4.2 so no more current is then able to flow. Makes perfect sense. As it always needs a voltage difference for charge to flow.
So initially on charging at the very start the current is at a fixed rate below a specified level, in other words not say 3amps or something too high. Hence is current limited by the opamp?
Swagatam says
Glad you found my reply useful….yes that’s exactly what I wanted to explain.
Whether it is at the start or at the end, the charging current consumption rate is determined by the battery’s internal chemical reactions, the constant current feature just makes sure that under any circumstances the current is never allowed to exceed the safe limit, let’s say if the current is selected to restrict at 3 amps then this value will be never exceeded by the CC source, but within this 3 amp value it is the battery which decides how much current it needs to consume throughout its charging period.
Paul says
Good Day Sir..
If my lipo pack is 4S can i modify this circuit by using only pin 1-4 of 4017?
And 4 relay circuit?
Thanks
Paul
Swagatam says
yes definitely you can modify the design appropriately for any Li-po battery pack having cells between 2 and 10….
TEOH CHE KOK says
I have a 6s Tattu 16000mah (6 cells connected in series) Li-Po Battery with 2 main +ve and -ve terminal and balancer connector. Do above circuit can charge my battery? The battery’s balance connector should connect to which part of the circuit above?
Swagatam says
Yes circuit will charge your battery but this circuit is for those who have advanced knowledge of electronics and opamps, because adjusting the preset and setting up the circuit is crucial here….
TEOH CHE KOK says
Can you tell me some example of “adjusting the preset” and “setting up the circuit”, I’m newbie, thanks.
Swagatam says
It is already explained in the article thoroughly…
TEOH CHE KOK says
a sample 4.2V may be fed at the shown preset’s upper lead, and the preset slider adjusted to make pin#6 of the opamp just high.
Can u further explain these 2 sentences? From my current understanding, at initially the 4.2V (from power supply) will feed to the pin3 of the opamp, and the “slider” will adjust the 4.2V to further higher volt/lower volt in order to make the pin6 of opamp output a high signal. What is the slider? a potentiometer?
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What mean by Li-po charging voltage source (that feed to the pin3 of opamp)? Is it a lab bench power supply with voltage fixed to 4.2V? This charging source can be non-constant output power source such as solar generator which its output depend on current light intensity.
Is it the Li-po charging voltage source is the same source with the Li-Po charging voltage feed into the cell#1.
Swagatam says
Teoh, your understanding is mostly correct regarding the mentioned specs.
4.2V should be from a constant voltage and constant current source, as per the battery specs.
the slider means the moving shaft of the preset connected with the opamp, which is moved by the screwedriver
the 4.2V supply source to the opamp and the relay are the same….and should be taken from the same supply source.
kentro says
hello Swagatam, i am trying to get a battery balancer for 12v battery is series in a 24v circuit. When charging with the inverter,it should be balancing both batteries at same voltage. i dont understand how to use this circuit to get this done..what values of resistor am i using? can i still use this mosftets and transistors?
thanks
Swagatam says
hello kentro, the above circuit is intended for balance charging batteries in series, I could not get how many batteries you have used in your battery set. you are saying “a 12V battery in series with a 24V circuit” sorry I could not understand this statement, please clarify this.
do you mean a 12V battery in series with a 24V battery?
kentro says
Oh! i am sorry…i meant two 12v batteries is series.
thanks for ur prompt response
Swagatam says
OK, for two batteries also you can use the above circuit with a slight modification. Use the outputs at pin#3 and pin#2 and eliminate the remaining outputs.
to ensure automatic changeover disconnect pin#15 from ground and connect it with pin#4 of the IC
integrate two relay stage with the BC547 BJTs attached with the above mentioned pinouts, finally configure the contacts with the respective battery terminals.
Johny Radio says
Is it necessary to use an SCR or Triac? Or will any transistor work, with sufficient current-capacity?
thx!
Swagatam says
any low power transistor will work, which may be similar to BC547/557
Johny Radio says
Hi
Awesome circuit! Question:
– For any channel, when it’s counter-pin goes hi, its BC557 turns on, which turns on its BC547, which turns on its relay. Correct?
– Is it possible for the BC557 to drive the relay directly, and remove the BC547 from the circuit?
thx!
Swagatam says
Hi Thanks,
actually it’s the opposite, during a high state of the 4017 output pin, the relevant BC547 is triggered ON, which in turn triggers the associated BC557, therefore BC557 cannot be directly used with the 4017 outputs.
anu says
Hii sir,
Thank you verymuch
Swagatam says
you are welcome!
Unknown says
Hi thank you for your post.
I couldn't understand how to choose battery for op-amp noninverse input. Dont we need to set a circuit for switching between batteries.
Swagatam says
Hi, thanks, the switching between the cells is done by the relay….please read the article completely for the details.
the source voltage at the non-inverting pin is supposed to be from the selected charger power supply source.
Daniel says
Gday Swagatam,
Just a query on this and your article on ((Lipo) Battery Charger Circuit).
It seems you have it so only 1 cell at a time is getting charged with this, would it be possible to adapt this to have all cells charging at the same time?
Otherwise, following your other article, would this work;
Supply 4.2v to each cell and have a cutoff trigger of 12.6v, checked against the whole pack assuming 3s?
Swagatam says
Hi Daniel,
charging all the cells together might not be feasible, because the positive of one cell is the negiative of the next cell, so charging them together can cause short circuit acroos the terinals, so according to me that's not possible and not recommended.
charging the whole unit with a single supply is the ordinary method that people usually implement, but that has severe drawbacks and that's why the above circuit was designed to ensure individual charging of the cells and ensure max efficiency and long life for the cells
DawidP says
Hi,
according to my knowledge, you can safely charge series connected cells by using independent chargers and galvanic separated power supplies for each charger. For example 6 series battery -> 6 chargers -> 6 PSUs. Use for this 7-pin cable, where:
1. pin = 1. cell/charger “-”
2. pin = 1. cell/charger “+” and at the same time 2. cell/charger “-”
3. pin = 2. cell/charger “+” and at the same time 3. cell/charger “-”
4. pin = 3. cell/charger “+” and at the same time 4. cell/charger “-”
5. pin = 4. cell/charger “+” and at the same time 5. cell/charger “-”
6. pin = 5. cell/charger “+” and at the same time 6. cell/charger “-”
7. pin = 6. cell/charger “+”
Please correct me if I am wrong 🙂
Swagatam says
Yeah, that looks feasible. Each power supply should have its own current control and auto cut-off, and precisely adjusted to produce exactly the same voltage.