A very simple low battery cut-off and overload protection circuit has been explained here.
The figure shows a very simple circuit set up which performs the function of an overload sensor and also as an under voltage detector.
In both the cases the circuit trips the relay for protecting the output under the above conditions.
How it Works
Transistor T1 is wired as a current sensor, where the resistor R1 forms the current to voltage converter.
The battery voltage has to pass through R1 before reaching the load at the output and therefore the current passing through it is proportionately transformed into voltage across it.
This voltage when crosses the 0.6V mark, triggers T1 into conduction.
The conduction of T1 grounds the base of T2 which gets immediately switched Off. The relay is also consequently switched OFF and so is the load.
T1 thus takes care of the over load and short circuit conditions.
Transistor T2 has been introduced for responding to T1's actions and also for detecting low voltage conditions.
When the battery voltage falls beyond a certain low voltage threshold, the base current of T2 becomes sufficiently low such that it's no longer able to hold the relay into conduction and switches it OFF and also the load.
The"LOAD" terminals in the above diagram is supposed to be connected with the inverter +/- supply terminals.
This implies that the battery current from the right side has to pass through R1 before reaching the inverter, enabling the sensing circuit around R1 to sense a possible over current or overload situation.
CORRECTION:
The above shown circuit will not initiate unless the relay is actuated manually through a push switch as shown below:
Parts List
- R1 = 0.6/Trip Current
- R2 = 100 Ohms,
- R3 =10k
- R4 = 100K,
- P1 = 10K PRESET
- C1 = 100uF/25V
- T1, T2 = BC547,
- Diodes = 1N4148
- Relay = As per the specs of the requirement.
Inverter Overload Cut-OFF using Opamp
In the above paragraphs I have explained a very simple concept of inverter overload cut-off using only transistors.
However a cut off system using only transistors cannot be very accurate and sharp.
In order to get a precision inverter overload and short circuit cut off circuit the use of an opamp based design becomes imperative.
The following diagram shows a simple battery overload controller circuit using a single opamp 741 and a relay driver stage.
How it Works
The opamp is configured as a simple comparator circuit. he inverting input of the opamp is clamped at a fixed 0.6 V using a 1N4148 diode.
The non-inverting input of the op amp is connected with the negative line of the circuit through a over-current sensor resistor Rx.
Due to inverter overload or short circuit or over current conditions, a voltage drop develops across the resistor Rx which can exceed the 0.6V as per the calculated value of the RX, and cause the non-inverting input of the opamp potential to go higher then its inverter 0.6V potential.
This causes the op amp output to turn high activating the transistors and tripping the relay.
When power is first switched ON, and assuming the inverter is working normally without an overload, the voltage developed across RX is minimal, which keeps the pin3 potential of the opamp the opamp lower than the pin2 potential.
This allows the output of the opamp to be low ensuring that the transistor is switched OFF, and relay contacts stays at the N/C point.
Due to this the 12V is able to reach the inverter and operate it normally.
However, as soon as an overload or over current happens at the inverter side, a large amount of current passes through the RX resistor, causing a voltage drop to develop across pin3 of the IC.
When this voltage drop exceeds the 0.6V reference level of the pin2 of the IC, the output of the op amp goes high, causing the transistor to switch ON and trigger the relay.
The relay contacts now shift from N/C to N/O switching of power to the inverter and thereby averting the short circuit or overload conditions.
The N/O contact can be seen attached with the base of the relay driver transistor, which ensures that as soon as the an overload is detected the relay contact quickly latches the transistor, switching the power permanently off for the inverter.
The power can be restored only by disconnecting the 12 V battery input, but before that it must be ensured that the short circuit or the over load condition is appropriately removed from the inverter side.
how do i calculate the over load current of 1KVA inverter
Simply divide 1kva (1000 watts approx) with your battery voltage.
Good evening sir, please what value of shunt resistor can be used for 1000w inverter
Hi Hillary, Please provide the inverter operating voltage value.
Hello, I have a question: Does the second circuit work as a short circuit protection at any point in the inverter?
Yes, it will work as a short circuit and overload cut off circuit.
Is it possible to use N-MOS instead of BC547 transistor?
Sorry, no, only NPN BJTs are recommended.
Please what is the RX resistor
RX = 0.7 / Max over load current
I have not yet work on the circuit but, I understand it very well sir. Sir! Is there a way that I use same transformer for both inverter and charger?
I wouldn’t recommend using a single transformer for both charging and the inverter as that can make the configuration too messy and difficult to optimize. Still, if you are willing to give it a try you can consider the following article:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/single-transformer-inverterchargerchang/
Thank you so much sir, I love that circuit that have low voltage protection and charger, it will be very good for inverter. Thanks sir
You are welcome Michael, I hope you are able to build it successfully.
Hello sir, if I use small transformer 220v to 12v for bridging diode to charger oscillation and use 30ahs relay for the charging output, will I have high current to charge battery?
The output current depends on the transformer current, so the transformer current must be according to the battery requirements.
Okay sir, but how can I get accurate circuit for low voltage protection and over load protection
Michael, You can try the second design from the following article. Just make sure to make two changes. 1) Swap the pin2 and pin3 with each other. 2) Replace the “charging voltage input” with Inverter supply +/- inputs.
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-make-simple-low-battery-voltage/
Yes, the one I used was that op amp circuit but ic is lm358 which didn’t cut off voltage at 10.4v,
The op amp circuit is an overload cut off circuit, it is not a low voltage cut off circuit.
Thank you for the clarification, I have did it in project board but didn’t cut off when the battery is low at 10.4v
The transistor circuit cannot be very accurate, if you need more accuracy you may have to use an op amp circuit.
But what I mean before is, the ic lm358 have two output at pin 1 and pin 7, so it’s only one section I will use?
Yes that is correct, you will have to use only one op amp among the two!
Okay, thank you sir
Thanks for your quick response sir, but
the lm358 which you said I should how dual output, is it one of the output I need? Please help me with the circuit sir
Sorry, I cannot understand your question, what is the need of a dual output? the 741 circuit uses a relay for the cut off.
Can I use same circuit for 24v inverter
Yes, but replace the relay with a 24V relay and for the op amp circuit replace the 741 with LM358 op amp.
i’m trying out Your Overload Protector Circuit
I need to use the RX for 12V 30Amp Battery. So What should be the RX Value. My inverter is 1000W
A 12V 30 Ah battery cannot be used for a 12V 1000 watt inverter, because the recommended discharge rate of your 30 Ah battery is only 3 to 5 amp which is negligibly small for a 1000 watt inverter
Thanks. I going to use 120A battery according to the formula which you have given to calculate RX value. So then what will be the RX value that i should use
The maximum recommended discharge rate of a lead battery is around 15% of its Ah rating. So 15% of 120 will be 18 amps.
Now 18 x 12V = 216 watts. So your inverter can produce a maximum of 216 watts, not 1000 watts.
For 18 amp current, the RX value will be
RX = 0.7 / 18 = 0.038 ohms
power will be 0.7 x 18 = 12.6 watts or 15 watts.
Thanks for your quick reply.
SO If I want to make a 1000W inverter what kind of battery should I use.
if as you say 120Amp battery can produce 216watts for thousand watts do i need to select a battery around 120Amp X 5 times.
in that case i there are UPS for computers 1200Kva. they use only 12v 7Amp X 2 batteries only. I know that the time duration will be max 15 to 20 minutes.
My target is to use this in my home. so what should I do as you think…..
That’s correct! If you want a long life for your lead acid battery then you must not discharge it beyond 15% of its Ah rating. Alternatively you can increase the voltage rating of the battery and the inverter to get proportionately higher power output.
If you discharge the battery at 100% of its Ah rating then the battery will get destroyed very soon, unless the battery is a Li-Ion battery.
If you use a 120 Ah battery then to get 1000 watts you must discharge the battery at 1000 / 12 = 84 amps rate, which will destroy the battery after a few charge discharge cycles.
You will need a 12V 800 Ah battery for operating 1000 watt load for 5 hours or more.
By the way you can try 120 Ah battery and check the results.
Thank You. I will try it with by increasing battery to 800Ah.
will inform you the results if I succeed..
Sure, no problem!
Please clear the working of this circuit on No load , on load with low current and On over current(short circuit).
Also What is the use of D1 and R4?
On no load and low current the relay will be ON normally. Over current situation is explained in the article. D1 is to make T2 respond only to genuine signals, to make its operation more reliable. R4 is actually not required, you can remove it.
in the first circuit,if the load current is say 10amp what will be the wire thickness at the load and battery side.
You can use a wire with 2 to 3 mm thick copper core
Hello Swagatam
thanks for reply.
I am thinking the same to do. I will identify the micro-cont overload input pin (may be 4 / 5 in 16F72 for EB700)
and put a 30amp fuse.
thanks
No Probem JK, hope it works for you!
Hello swagatam
I am already using solar panel at home using 1100VA inverter. I try to include my fridge which is 200watts. But the starting current is high. It trips at overload. Can I by pass overload and put a 30amp fuse for protection?
Hope you fine
Hello JK, if your fridge is in a good condition and working correctly then you can easily bypass the overload controller with a calculated fuse. It is perfectly fine to do so.
Hello,
You explained this great. Just how do I determine this RX resistor if the inverter is a maximum of 200w, I would like to put a limiter at 160w, over to turn off the relay or how do you think it should?
I would ask you for help. BR
Hello, and glad you found the idea helpful. Rx in the last diagram can be determined using the following formula:
RX = 0.6 / Max current
For 160 watt, you can divide it with the supply voltage to get the Max current value.
Hello ,
Thanks for the quick answer . Can only the power supply for the SG3525 be interrupted via a relay so that the whole plus does not go through the relay?
Hello, yes it possible, you can refer to the following articles to learn more about it:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/dc-to-dc-converter-circuits-using-sg3524-buck-boost-designs/
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/inverter-circuit-with-feedback-control/
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/lm3524-datasheet-pinout-function-how-to-use/
In fact, I’m running some shielded from deep discharge, but so that the device at 10.5V is turned off and does not turn on until it is reset by removing the terminal or on the main switch. Overload protection is not really necessary but it may not matter
It is given in the first two diagrams of the following article
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/sg3525-pure-sinewave-inverter-circuit/
Hello sir
Thanks for this circuit
I’ve been searching for this kind of circuit for long
My question is this:
The Rx resistor which is calculated using 0.6/max current is it in ohmns or kilo-ohomns
Hello Ordu,
The RX value will be in Ohms
great idea sir, may the lord increase you in wisdom. sir, the second circuit i want to connect it with my 3000w inverter and my rx value after calculated is 0.007 i.e im using 12v battery and voltage cutoff for 1000w load.i want to ask for the resistor value in ohms and how many in parallel
Thank you eniola, the formula is 0.6/max current limit, so please calculate it as per your inverter specifications
Thank you for this. Please how would you calculate R1
R1 is the sensing resistor. It can be calculated using the formula
R1 = 0.6 / Max current
Ic741 can be good but what should be the value of Rx resistance in a500watts 12 volts operated inverter
RX = 0.6 / max current limit
That is R1 is will have a resistance of a fuse resistor?
What’s the exact values of R1 for 12v and 24v batteries?
R1 will depend on the load current, not the voltage.
I would like to use the circuit here to cut off the battery power when the 12V goes too low and then automatically turn it back on when it is okay. However, it looks like it won’t turn back on unless you press the button. How do I avoid that button? I looked at your low battery indicator circuit (https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-make-simple-low-battery-voltage/) but that is unclear right now.
The second and the last circuits will do automatic switch ON and switch OFF for charging the battery
Ok I understand but I really like to know if this simple circuit is for 12volt only cause I am wondering if this circuit is sufficient to manage up to the high amp draw on the battery cause inverter need alot of amperage to convert
This circuit can be upgraded to any desired limits by changing the transistor and the relay, and the resistor values accordingly.
Hello,
Do low battery cutoff circuits wear out?
I have a 4000 watt inverter and I set the low battery cutoff to energize at 22 volts. This has worked well for 12 years. Lately, the cut off activates when any heavy load kicks in (water pump, refrigerator) even when the battery is fully charged.
I am trying to figure out if it’s a battery problem or an inverter problem.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Mark Rankin
Hi, no they don’t, because cut off circuits are solid-state circuits, which will hardly ever blow, burn or degrade under normal conditions.
In your case it could be a battery problem which may be unable to provide the initial high current due to aging or internal degradation, causing the voltage to drop severely below the lower cut-off threshold.
Thank you so much for this, Swagatam
About a month ago I installed a new 1236 amp-hour 24-volt battery (made for solar systems) by GB battery (a forklift battery company). It worked fine for about a month but I have my concerns now.
The battery seems to go through the inverter’s “3 stage” charge cycles very fast.
When the battery is at the “top” of a freshly charged cycle and it gets an inrush demand for amperage (blowing the low battery cut off) the voltage will drop way down to below 23 volts after the incident.
I have been watching my specific gravity which reads (with no load on it) 1.25 per cell when the battery is at the top of the charge.
Now I am concerned that this battery (even though they say it is made for solar) requires a different charging system.
It’s like, over the past month of usage, the battery has slowly been depleted even though the charge cycle on the inverter says it’s complete.
I will be calling the company in the morning. If any of this makes sense I would appreciate your input.
You are most welcome Mark,
Now it seems there’s actually nothing wrong with the working of the various systems in your controller, and neither the battery.
The 3 step charger is designed to implement a fast charging on the battery, and for this initially during the first step it has to force a relatively high amount of current into the battery, which is readily accepted by the battery inducing the high surge current. As the battery charges, the charger reduce the current during the subsequent 2nd and the 3rd steps.
Therefore during the initial 1st step, the surge may be causing a steep drop in the charger voltage and tripping the low cut off.
To remedy the situation you can either adjust the 1st stage charging current to a lower level, or add some sort of delay feature to the low cut off, so that it doesn’t react to the initial momentary surge.
However, if your battery is showing depletion, that means its condition is deteriorating, perhaps due to the high current charging, in that case it would be better to change the 3 step charger into a regular 1 step charger which will enable a moderately slow charging and ensure longer life for the battery and also stop the low voltage cut off tripping
Swagatam,
You are a rare find, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. Just being able to bounce these problems off someone of your caliber is such a gift for me right now.
I will attempt to make the changes you suggested, I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas.
Mark
It is a pleasure Mark, always happy to help! Wish you all the best, and Merry Christmas to you too!
I think I found the problem!!!
I did a gravity test on all twelve cells tonight, this battery is only two months old. To my surprise, I found one cell that did not even float the hydrometer indicator, it read 0 volts on the multimeter. Not sure how I missed this before. I am contacting the company about a replacement cell (hopefully under warranty) this week.
I just wanted to pass on the good news.
Thanks again, Swagatam!
Sounds great, Glad you could find the fault so quickly!
hello sir , i’am from philippines and a beginner electronic hobbyist. I have finish your circuit ‘low battery cutoff and overload’ installed on my oscillator circuit ( pwm inverter ) sg3525 ic (not on the battery side of the inverter ) .. I set the low battery cutoff to 11 volts and it is working perfectly on a small load like 60 watts electric fan, and 100 watts soldering iron , but when my load is 60 watts 21 inches crt television the relay will cutoff immediately .. I’am using 10 ampere relay and .02 ohm resistor for r1 .. please i need your help .
Hello Jay, 60 watt fan/iron and 60 watt TV are similarly rated? May be the TV rating is much higher than 60 watt…But anyway 0.02 is too small and will NOT provide any current limit or over current protection below 30 amps, and 30 amps looks impractical for your application
I really appreciate this, I will only ask for a circuit that changes from the power station to inverter and vise versa.
When done, charging the batteries begins.
You can probably try the following designs:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/automatic-inverter-supply-and-mains/
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-convert-inverter-to-ups/
hello sir, im Joshua. i designed an inverter with sg3524 and it has been working perfectly but i have been having serious problems with the rate my batteries overcharged. the circuit does not have overcharged protection feature. could you please help me out?
Hello Joshua, you can try the following concepts:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/opamp-low-high-battery-charger/
or simply use a fixed regulated 14.1V as the input supply for the battery, without the need of any cut off circuit.
Sir, I have been having this constant problem with repair of Indian inverters. And it has to do with overload, no load, etc fault. Please, an you give me a clue as to how to tackle this issue. I have no idea where to start
Robert, all inverters have different board configuration and component settings, so it can be difficult to judge their faults commonly…
Sir help me for 24v battery full cut off using opamp lm358
Please is ulgent
Ben, you can try one of the designs explained in the following article:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/opamp-low-high-battery-charger/
Hi sir please i my circuit diagram and if i built it blow the mosfet and if
i can send my circuit diagram to check it if there is any problem then please you help me. Thanks sir
there’s no mosfet in the diagram, it is a simple and a tested design and will work definitely, but only if you connect and set the circuit correctly
hi sir, pls i have build inverter with ic TL494 plus mosfet irf3205 and if i connected with 12v battery it blow mosfet and i used ferrite core transformer and sir if you can help me with this issue I will be glad. Thank you
Hi Saeed, if it is a ferrite based design then it can be difficult to troubleshoot for me, because ferrite trafos require strict calculations for the winding, and a wrongly built trafo can cause instant burning of the devices.
What is r1 I see 0.6 trip current is that 0.6 ohms resistor
Please read the article, it is already explained.
good day sir, i hope you’re doing well? back in a months, I ask you so many questions about inverter and the challenge which i had with the one I built. with your help, i had solve the challenge,my mosfet are not getting heat anymore ,tanks for the help. please Sir I am back with another question. question is that,can at the same time the inverter out put still charge the battery while is still working or ho can I make it work constant that is, without removing the battery to charge separate before used again?
Hi Emmanuel, that’s not possible, your battery will get discharged and then you will have to switch OFF the inverter and charge the battery from an external source until its fully charged again
please sir, can I use the above circuit with my home made power inverter , will I connect the protection between the load and inverter or how do I connect it?if I can’t please I need an over load and short circuit protection circuit for 12v inverter and how to connect it, thank you sir
Hi Itar,
yes you can use it for inverter overload protection. THe “LOAD” here is the inverter, so connect the inverter DC supply terminals across these points, and connect the battery on the right hand side as shown
Hi sir. Thanks for d job well done. The calculation of R1 is my prolem. You said R = 0.6/Trip current and TC = Wattage/Voltage. I get 0.00xx Can you explain more. Thanks and God bless.
Thanks Yusuf, what trip current or max overload current are you trying to apply? please let me know I’ll solve it for you.
sir i have a 3000watt inverter built from a 650watt inverter with your honourable advice and guidance but i want to make a overload cutoff for it my maximum drain current from the battery is 125amp when i divide 3000watt by the batteries voltage which is 24v and it give me the R1 value of 0.0048 how many 0.1resistor do i wire in parrallel to achieve this value
You will need 20 resistors in parallel. Each must be rated at 5 watts
Hello sir Swagatam, I asked for an overload protection circuit for an inverter with auto-power off feature in the comment session of one of your posts and you referred me to this post. Having read through the post and comments, I concluded that I may not be able to use the circuit for the intended purpose. You explained in the comments that the inverter should me made the load but I’m afraid that I won’t be able to get the relay that can handle the huge current drain from the battery. So what I need is circuit that will be connected to the output side of the inverter transfo and which can operate a small 12V relay such that I can use the relay contacts to power off the inverter driver when overload is sensed at the inverter output. I’ll be glad if you could help me with such circuit. Thanks a lot sir.
In that case you can try the concept explained in the following article:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2014/06/simple-current-sensor-circuit-modules.html
use the NPN version, and connect the collector with the mosfet gates via separate diodes or simply connect it with the “Ct” of the IC,…. for SG3525 you can use the PNP version, and connect the collector with pin#10 via a 1N4148 diode
Ok sir. Thank you very much. I’ll check it out.
Thank u Swagatam and every one participating in this blog. Pls how do I determine the trip current and/or the value of R1 if I want to make 1KVA inverter and I want the inverter to cut off when it senses 800 watts of load
thanks moses, it can be calculated by the formula:
R = 0.6 / trip current
trip current = wattage/Voltage…in your case it will be 800 / battery voltage
Sir I need overcharged protection circuit diagram and low battery cutoff circuit diagram. I built my inverter with SG3524 and its 24v. I would prefer the link sent to my mail: zuredu@gmail.com.
Thanks
Dady, you can find many options under this category:
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/category/battery-cut-off-switch-diagrams/
in the case of inverter the load is were the ac is connected but in on one of the comments i read u said the entire circuit is connected to the dc side so how do we monitor the load since the load are the appliances since the appliances are connected to the ac side
the load cannot be an AC load here, the circuit is designed for DC loads, if an inverter is connected as the load then the appliances consumption would be ultimately drawn from the battery, and therefore the circuit would sense it and trip if an overload from the appliance was detected.
Pls sir can u send me the circuit diagram of low battery cut through this mail ,youngkingicv@gmail.com pls sir l'll be waiting thanks.
ICV, you can refer to the following article for making a low battery cut off circuit
https://www.homemade-circuits.com/2011/12/how-to-make-simple-low-battery-voltage.html
How does the circuit work.esplain step by step. How can i change it to only cut off at low voltage.reply plz